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bernanke. >> no. he was appointed by bush. i'm not a fan of bush. if you want to compare it, obama's worse, but neither was good. >> michael, let me ask you this. >> clinton was spectacular. >> let me ask you this question. we need capital, jobs and labour d day. do you agree? >> i do. >> why raise the tax rates on capital which is what you are doing with top end investors and workers? why not promote more capital to promote more labor? i would lower the payroll tax rate or the 28% rate and maybe the 15% income tax. in other words, isn't this a moment when we want the liquidity to stay in the private sector and all the incentives for growth we can get? >> larry, we need to bring down the deficit. you agree with that, we all agree. the long-term deficits which are not driven by a major spending growth under president obama. they are driven by long-term trends -- >> mr. obama hasn't raised spending? >> most of the new spending that happened in 2009 happened under president bush. >> did i miss the $850 billion stimulus -- >> it was -- larry, it was $80
bernanke. >> no. he was appointed by bush. i'm not a fan of bush. if you want to compare it, obama's worse, but neither was good. >> michael, let me ask you this. >> clinton was spectacular. >> let me ask you this question. we need capital, jobs and labour d day. do you agree? >> i do. >> why raise the tax rates on capital which is what you are doing with top end investors and workers? why not promote more capital to promote more labor? i would lower the...
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bernanke, if he has two patients, the one with a positive attitude does better. >> i agree with dr. bernanke, but stress does cause your arteries to con strict, it ka cause the arteries to build up faster, it can cause blood clots to form that causes a heart attack, that's the bad news. but stress is not simply something you do, more importantly it's how you react to what you do. if you practice some simple stress management techniques, you can be in the same job, you can go to haiti, and not have it affect it. you can accomplish even more without getting so stressed and without getting sick in the process. >> larry: sanjay, do you understand why the president is so passionate about haiti? >> he's had an affinity for this place for a long time, larry. i interviewed him when he was down here and talked about haiti with him a few times in the past. he had his honeymoon here, as i know you've talked about, larry, so he's been thinking about haiti for a long time. i think he has a strong affinity not only to haiti but to the haitian people living in haiti and the united states, and he's
bernanke, if he has two patients, the one with a positive attitude does better. >> i agree with dr. bernanke, but stress does cause your arteries to con strict, it ka cause the arteries to build up faster, it can cause blood clots to form that causes a heart attack, that's the bad news. but stress is not simply something you do, more importantly it's how you react to what you do. if you practice some simple stress management techniques, you can be in the same job, you can go to haiti, and...
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, i don't know why we reappointed bernanke. in terms of the entitlement programs, yeah we have a public pension program, which is hugely popular. you look at polling day that-- i was at a conference this morning in social security is over 90%. they ask people would you be willing to pay higher taxes to sustain sosa security benefits and 70 to 80% said yes. i don't see any problem with running a pension program through the public sector. what is the problem with the? it is usually popular. health care costs, medicare again. we are providing medicare health care benefits for seniors. that is also hugely popular. you have these tea party people out there yelling don't let the government touch medicare. they are anti-government but they want medicare. medicare is a government program. these are success stories. our health care costs are out of line in such as security has not been rising in its share of the budget and it will in the near future is baby boomers are retiring and getting benefits. in fact it actually fell a few years
, i don't know why we reappointed bernanke. in terms of the entitlement programs, yeah we have a public pension program, which is hugely popular. you look at polling day that-- i was at a conference this morning in social security is over 90%. they ask people would you be willing to pay higher taxes to sustain sosa security benefits and 70 to 80% said yes. i don't see any problem with running a pension program through the public sector. what is the problem with the? it is usually popular....
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bernanke does testify regularly on capitol hill, explaining what he is doing. and why he is affecting monetary policy the way he is. some have suggested such as milton friedman once, that we could replace the federal reserve with a computer that would determine money supply and interest rates by a basic formula. perhaps that would be better than the usual way we have done in the past. i think the federal reserve policy, you know, can be subject to certain criticism. i'm not sure how it would work to eliminate the federal reserve, but i think there is legitimate disagreement on the way that they've had with the recession. and i think that disagreement is there. las. . 650 employees at the spa at the cost of $100,000 for three days for each employee. was a cost comparison done to justify such a cost? how was that chosen at the venue? what happened there? >> in that particular case there was a cost comparison and there were quotes from several vendors. one the challenges is finding a venue for that many people. it is the high cost. it is the annual training confer
bernanke does testify regularly on capitol hill, explaining what he is doing. and why he is affecting monetary policy the way he is. some have suggested such as milton friedman once, that we could replace the federal reserve with a computer that would determine money supply and interest rates by a basic formula. perhaps that would be better than the usual way we have done in the past. i think the federal reserve policy, you know, can be subject to certain criticism. i'm not sure how it would...
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i expected, i knew when we went up there is a scene in the book talking bernanke and chris cox and said we will meet these authorities. the difficulty we had has warned said much better, the arteries in the financial system more for using up. so i knew with a certainty business would turn down. when you have companies it is uncertain if they can raise short-term funding, most cfo's will say boss, i'm not be able to handle the funding you like for the next 30 day said they start cutting back. but congress had not seen this yet. not in their districts. so i knew with a certainty it would get worse. i am not sure i knew it would be 10% unemployment but i knew it would be bad. minute if they didn't do something, and it collapsed, then the business is could not find themselves are paid for inventories and pay suppliers and let employees go and that would ripple through and we would have armageddon. so when the economy did turn down, we have a terrible situation as congress sought bids because they saw it as the american people but we said give us the use of 30's and if you don't, we will be
i expected, i knew when we went up there is a scene in the book talking bernanke and chris cox and said we will meet these authorities. the difficulty we had has warned said much better, the arteries in the financial system more for using up. so i knew with a certainty business would turn down. when you have companies it is uncertain if they can raise short-term funding, most cfo's will say boss, i'm not be able to handle the funding you like for the next 30 day said they start cutting back....
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idea that once they come that they are going to come back into a government position and i know ben bernanke and hank paulson are well-known for this. could you talk a little bit about that in any ideas on how that could be stopped through laws or voter action or anything? >> i'm glad you reminded me about the revolving door. i see this happening. i see my friends do this. they dress like me when they are working on capitol hill and i see them two years later and they have really nice suits with a french cuff and offer to buy lunch. the left the capitol to up working for congress and a lobbying firm hired them because they knew that when the friend then calls his old underling on capitol hill to say hey i just want to talk to you about the farm bill, that his old boss or his old bosses colleagues are going to take the call and that is the revolving door. barack obama's said literally, i'm going to stop the revolving door. is white house chief of staff, rahm emanuel-- there is not, as the word for rahm emanuel because welby was working on the campaign is a chief fund-raiser he was getting pai
idea that once they come that they are going to come back into a government position and i know ben bernanke and hank paulson are well-known for this. could you talk a little bit about that in any ideas on how that could be stopped through laws or voter action or anything? >> i'm glad you reminded me about the revolving door. i see this happening. i see my friends do this. they dress like me when they are working on capitol hill and i see them two years later and they have really nice...
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sino ben bernanke and st. paul said are well known for this could you talk about that and any ideas on how that could be stopped through laws or voter action and? >> i am glad the reminded me. i see this happening. my friends do this to dress kind of like me when they work on capitol hill but two years later have a nice suits with french cuffs and offer to buy me lunch because they left their capitol hill job working for a congressman and a lobbying firm hired them because they know when somebody says the want to talk to you, the old boss colleague will take the call. that is the revolving door. barack obama reit literally said i will stop the revolving door. his white house chief of staff is from emmanuel it is almost up the right word because all he was werke ag bill clinton 1982 campaign he was getting paid by goldman sachs as a consultant at the same time for nondescript work. he may have been getting paid to work for bill clinton for all been no. then he leaves a couple years before clinton to work in a p
sino ben bernanke and st. paul said are well known for this could you talk about that and any ideas on how that could be stopped through laws or voter action and? >> i am glad the reminded me. i see this happening. my friends do this to dress kind of like me when they work on capitol hill but two years later have a nice suits with french cuffs and offer to buy me lunch because they left their capitol hill job working for a congressman and a lobbying firm hired them because they know when...
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presidential historian, rice university history professor and no stranger to the audience at c-span2, douglas bernanke -- douglas brinkley. thank you for joining us this morning. guest: good morning. thanks for having me. host: if president stay were a holiday celebrating just one president, it there or one president to honor, who would it be for you and why? guest: i think the original, george washington. remember presidents day began as washington's birthday in 1880 and subsequently evolved, 1971 was started getting this concept of presidents day morphing of washington and lincoln's birthday and then the idea of just celebrating the institute of the president and having school children learn each president and what they look like and memorize the names. but washington is, in my view, the person we need to be celebrating on presidents' day. he did something very extraordinary as our first president, he stepped down. he showed you could relinquish power. that we were not going to become a market. he could have stayed in for life terms because he was that popular but i think it was the beginning of the
presidential historian, rice university history professor and no stranger to the audience at c-span2, douglas bernanke -- douglas brinkley. thank you for joining us this morning. guest: good morning. thanks for having me. host: if president stay were a holiday celebrating just one president, it there or one president to honor, who would it be for you and why? guest: i think the original, george washington. remember presidents day began as washington's birthday in 1880 and subsequently evolved,...
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with this bubble that of course is going to burst and that is what i get so mad at people like ben bernanke. most economists, god knows what on earth was going through their heads as they watch the bubble keep grow and grow and grow and said everything was okay. now they are surprised fukuda agnone? that is a joke we have around washington. anyone who is doing their job should have known. >> host: amity shlaes anything there you want to address? >> guest: i think it is important to think about the interplay between the war in domestic policy because it is true the government can think about two things at once. it cannot walk and chew gum at the same time and when you have a distraction, whether you believe it is something we should invest then, afghanistan, iraq, the government does not think well about what is going on at home so if you called on our various leaders that the fed or at the white house over time under, in this period under president bush,'s september 11 you would say are you concerned about fannie mae? they would say absolutely, here's the data and they are going out of cont
with this bubble that of course is going to burst and that is what i get so mad at people like ben bernanke. most economists, god knows what on earth was going through their heads as they watch the bubble keep grow and grow and grow and said everything was okay. now they are surprised fukuda agnone? that is a joke we have around washington. anyone who is doing their job should have known. >> host: amity shlaes anything there you want to address? >> guest: i think it is important to...
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host: a couple other items, business section of "new york times," that ben bernanke has survived a challenge to his second term as chairman, and faces the delicate task of beginning to pull the central bank out of its extraordinary situation. guest: the economy through the fall of 2008 and through last year, in an effort to help banks and credit markets and to prevent the financial system from imploding. they did that by lower the interest rates, and now they have to pull that back. they have to pull the federal reserves investments in the economy back. and they have to do that carefully because they don't want to cause problems in doing so, which is something that could happen. it will be delicate. markets are watching when this will happen. if he doesn't do it right, you will see plunges in stock values. host: what is the update? guest: last week senate dodd announced he was at an impasse with senator shelby, and it's not a good sign. there are some republicans who said they were committed to get a bill. one thing to watch is bob corker, a new senator from tennessee, he's working with mark
host: a couple other items, business section of "new york times," that ben bernanke has survived a challenge to his second term as chairman, and faces the delicate task of beginning to pull the central bank out of its extraordinary situation. guest: the economy through the fall of 2008 and through last year, in an effort to help banks and credit markets and to prevent the financial system from imploding. they did that by lower the interest rates, and now they have to pull that back....
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ben bernanke, by the esteemed mr. representative ron paul, who wants to audit the fed -- something you will be humanly go against, which we can understand. you are a bank. if you go into a bank and audit and find things that do not add up, you try to fix it. host: we got the point. ron paul, etc.. guest: i get these questions often. it is interesting, the misinformation that comes forward from this kind of a call. let me explain first of all -- representative paulñr has every right to his views. he calls it "the fed, but it is really and the fed -- he calls it autit the fed, but it is really end the fed. the fed is audited by the government accounting office, or the government accountability office. it is audited by a major auditing firm. it is audited by the treasury. our bank is examined by the board of governors. so there is an enormous amount of auditing that goes on within the federal reserve. exceptions are found, we are held accountable for that and we correct them. in terms of allegations against the chairman
ben bernanke, by the esteemed mr. representative ron paul, who wants to audit the fed -- something you will be humanly go against, which we can understand. you are a bank. if you go into a bank and audit and find things that do not add up, you try to fix it. host: we got the point. ron paul, etc.. guest: i get these questions often. it is interesting, the misinformation that comes forward from this kind of a call. let me explain first of all -- representative paulñr has every right to his...
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bernanke does not want to step up and -- i think mr. bernanke, unfortunately, does not want to step up and take responsibility. i think the administration put a good deal of capital to work to make sure that he stayed on as chairman of the fed. but honestly, it would require presidential leadership at this point. we see encouraging signs, but also discouraging signs. the president said nice things about big bankers and their compensation just last week. you have to ask the white house where we are on this issue. host: simon johnson is the author of an upcoming book, "13 bankers." when will this come out? guest: when wilthe end of march. i do not think this problem is going to go away anytime soon. host: wyoming, republican line. caller: i would just like to say a few things and please do not cut us off because we do not get a chance to get in as many times as the democrats and the independent line. i'm a conservative woman of color. i notice every time on c-span and i get to be disappointed. and i will get to my question. i notice a tal
bernanke does not want to step up and -- i think mr. bernanke, unfortunately, does not want to step up and take responsibility. i think the administration put a good deal of capital to work to make sure that he stayed on as chairman of the fed. but honestly, it would require presidential leadership at this point. we see encouraging signs, but also discouraging signs. the president said nice things about big bankers and their compensation just last week. you have to ask the white house where we...
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presidential historian, rice university history professor and no stranger to the audience at c-span2, douglas bernanke -- douglas brinkley. thank you for joining us this morning. guest: good morning. thanks for having me. host: if president stay were a holiday celebrating just one president, it there or one president to honor, who would it be for you and why? guest: i think the original, george washington. remember presidents day began as washington's birthday in 1880 and subsequently evolved, 1971 was started getting this concept of presidents day morphing of washington and lincoln's birthday and then the idea of just celebrating the institute of the president and having school children learn each president and what they look like and memorize the names. but washington is, in my view, the person we need to be celebrating on presidents' day. he did something very extraordinary as our first president, he stepped down. he showed you could relinquish power. that we were not going to become a market. he could have stayed in for life terms because he was that popular but i think it was the beginning of the
presidential historian, rice university history professor and no stranger to the audience at c-span2, douglas bernanke -- douglas brinkley. thank you for joining us this morning. guest: good morning. thanks for having me. host: if president stay were a holiday celebrating just one president, it there or one president to honor, who would it be for you and why? guest: i think the original, george washington. remember presidents day began as washington's birthday in 1880 and subsequently evolved,...
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accordingly the house stands >> ben bernanke testifies about the economy and monetary policy. now, secretary lahood. this part of the hearing is 50 minutes. >> let me just raise a couple of questions with you very quickly. the committee has reviewed thousands of complaints regarding sudden acceleration in the toyota vehicles. before the crash thatñossÑçkçñar membersÑiñr of at( family in aut "tsjutÑ. ñrmy questionÑi is, why did it e jjtxdñrÑi to act? &Ñignz+:çóx@%ylñx].sÑiñr why did it take them so long to act? >> mr. chairman, i would say this. i have been in the job more than a year. prior to my time which would have been prior to january 23rd of '09, if there issues i can't answer, i will get back to you for the record. i will tell you this, 30,000 complaints come to nh tsa every year and we look at every one of them. we think every one is important. some come from people who are driving cars and some come from the industry. we look at what's going on from stakeholders and people in the automobile business. sometimes they file complaints with us. then when
accordingly the house stands >> ben bernanke testifies about the economy and monetary policy. now, secretary lahood. this part of the hearing is 50 minutes. >> let me just raise a couple of questions with you very quickly. the committee has reviewed thousands of complaints regarding sudden acceleration in the toyota vehicles. before the crash thatñossÑçkçñar membersÑiñr of at( family in aut "tsjutÑ. ñrmy questionÑi is, why did it e jjtxdñrÑi to act?...
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. >>> ben bernanke. >> yes. >> who oversaw the collapse of not only the united states, but pretty much the entire world financial system. >> right. >> and brought our economy to its knees has been reappointed as head of the fed. >> right. >> does this give you hope for being re-elected governor of new york? because may i remind you, he screwed everybody. >> wow. >> eliot spitzer taking shots from colbert last night. here with us now, founder, editor of thedailybeast.com, tina brown. >> good morning, everyone. >> great to see you. we'll get to your explosive piece about andrew young. have you quite a bit to say about john edwards' body man. we may have to bleep that. but first, maureen dowd's don't ask, don't tell op-ed. she writes in part -- tinea it was a pretty remarkable day on capitol hill. >> i thought it was pretty believing. very moving indeed. one does ask whether it will ignite a cultural war thing and distract. that's the only thing that scares me, we do need to be focused on jobs now. the timing seems strange. but having said that, it was a moving moment. it is obscene we ha
. >>> ben bernanke. >> yes. >> who oversaw the collapse of not only the united states, but pretty much the entire world financial system. >> right. >> and brought our economy to its knees has been reappointed as head of the fed. >> right. >> does this give you hope for being re-elected governor of new york? because may i remind you, he screwed everybody. >> wow. >> eliot spitzer taking shots from colbert last night. here with us now,...
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we had hank, ben bernanke tim geithner and sheila bair the head of the fdic. i know a lot of people in finance and a lot of people in business and government. and i can't think of for that would have done a better job of getting us through that. now it's kind of fashionable to look back and pick at one aspect or another of what was happening and our country's financial system froze up during that period. some of you in this room were at a party i was at in september of 2008, one to talk was the money market funds saved. if we have 3.5 trillion fun missile by 30 million people who on is and they might are worrying about whether they can get their money that was half of all the process held by u.s. banks at the time you have a panic. you had commercial paper frees up entirely in the biggest companies of the united states and some are described in this book that worried whether they were going to meet their payroll and a short period of time to read the sixth largest bank in the country in terms of the domestic deposits, washington mutual failed over a weekend. y
we had hank, ben bernanke tim geithner and sheila bair the head of the fdic. i know a lot of people in finance and a lot of people in business and government. and i can't think of for that would have done a better job of getting us through that. now it's kind of fashionable to look back and pick at one aspect or another of what was happening and our country's financial system froze up during that period. some of you in this room were at a party i was at in september of 2008, one to talk was the...
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now we might not remember this because we probably didn't keep track of everything that paulson and bernanke and george bush did, but lehman falls on september 15, then what we have is on september 23 the chairman of the federal reserve and the secretary of treasury come into congress and they testify that they need $700 billion, they've got a 2 1/2-page bill, they don't know what they're going to do with the money, but if you don't give it to them then the world is going to end. now that makes you a little currentble if you're deciding what you're going to do with your investments. not only that, but the next day the president of the united states comes on national television and says the following, speak to the american people, just to get them, you know, calm down a little bit, he says, financial assets related to home mortgages have lost value during the housing decline and the banks holding these assets are are restricted credit. as a result our entire economy is in danger. so i propose that the federal government reduce the risk posed by these troubled assets and supply urgently needed
now we might not remember this because we probably didn't keep track of everything that paulson and bernanke and george bush did, but lehman falls on september 15, then what we have is on september 23 the chairman of the federal reserve and the secretary of treasury come into congress and they testify that they need $700 billion, they've got a 2 1/2-page bill, they don't know what they're going to do with the money, but if you don't give it to them then the world is going to end. now that makes...
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i said --ç and i remembered s@iing this to bernanke -- i believe for theç denning wall . you guys and your friends and wall street caused the problem. even if you think the ballot as necessary, i tell you what to do. go back to the richest and saying we are putting a surtax on millionaires and billionaires to pay for the bailout. that was my view. xd and iç think what michael is talking about, there was huge frustration and anger in this countryq that government has worked to protect the interest of wall street whileç ignoring- çkow3michael talkingi] about tt that he is a father tried to send kids through college. we are putting more money into programs but we have a lot more to do. i think what people are saying and crying out for, what about us. we are working 50 or 60ç hoursa week, start worrying about us and not just the big money interests. i (jjtjr host: senator bernie sanders, thank you for coming on "washington journal." we will take a short break and will become that the discussion regarding the economy and the latinoç community but the president of la
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bernanke does testify regularly on capitol hill explaining what he is doing, and why he is affecting monetary policy the way he is. some, like milton friedman, have suggested that we could replace federal reserve with a computer that could determine these interest-rate formulas. perhaps that would be better. federal reserve policy can be subject to certain criticism. i do not hoknow how we would do this. there is disagreement on the way they have handled the recession, and that is fair. host: another tweet -- guest: $3 trillion of the deficit? over the next 10 years, if we expended all the tax cuts, for everyone, that would be about $3 trillion. the deficit is much bigger than that. the base line is $11 trillion. if you got rid of all the tax cuts, we would still have and $8 trillion deficit over the next 10 years. president obama is not talking about doing that. only for those making more than $250,000 a year. that is only 1/5 of the tax cuts. if you want to get rid of "tax cuts for the rich" it is over $16 billion from a deficit of $11 trillion. for those who believe that is good p
bernanke does testify regularly on capitol hill explaining what he is doing, and why he is affecting monetary policy the way he is. some, like milton friedman, have suggested that we could replace federal reserve with a computer that could determine these interest-rate formulas. perhaps that would be better. federal reserve policy can be subject to certain criticism. i do not hoknow how we would do this. there is disagreement on the way they have handled the recession, and that is fair. host:...
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we had hank, ben bernanke tim geithner and sheila bair the head of the fdic. i know a lot of people in finance and a lot of people in business and government. and i can't think of for that would have done a better job of getting us through that. now it's kind of fashionable to look back and pick at one aspect or another of what was happening and our country's financial system froze up during that period. some of you in this room were at a party i was at in september of 2008, one to talk was the money market funds saved. if we have 3.5 trillion fun missile by 30 million people who on is and they might are worrying about whether they can get their money that was half of all the process held by u.s. banks at the time you have a panic. you had commercial paper frees up entirely in the biggest companies of the united states and some are described in this book that worried whether they were going to meet their payroll and a short period of time to read the sixth largest bank in the country in terms of the domestic deposits, washington mutual failed over a weekend. y
we had hank, ben bernanke tim geithner and sheila bair the head of the fdic. i know a lot of people in finance and a lot of people in business and government. and i can't think of for that would have done a better job of getting us through that. now it's kind of fashionable to look back and pick at one aspect or another of what was happening and our country's financial system froze up during that period. some of you in this room were at a party i was at in september of 2008, one to talk was the...